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Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Your Silence is Killing Me

In the aftermath of the Terrorist attacks in London, there were mixed reactions in the Arab/Muslim blogosphere. Some were condemning and apologising, others were explaining how these terrorists are not Muslims, and their actions are un-Islamic; hence, there is no need to condemn and or apologise.

While I do believe that these terrorists are only Muslims by name and that their conduct is un-Islamic, there is a considerable number of Muslims who sympathise with these terrorists, are happy to see western countries suffer, and try to explain why these terrorists commit such crimes, in other words, try to justify terrorism.

We can not deny the fact that when the twin towers were hit, many Muslims celebrated in the streets. We can no deny that fact that many Muslims to this day consider suicide bombers in Israel and Iraq “freedom fighters”, even after all their barbaric and inhuman killings of innocent civilians and kidnappings. They killed and maimed children, for God’s sake; which is appalling and outrageous, and I offer my most sincere condolences to their families.

Many Muslims to this day believe that the elected Iraqi government – which is probably the most legitimate and democratic government in the region - is illegitimate, and instead consider the “resistance”, legitimate and noble. We can not deny that there are such Muslims and Imams who support these views, and even worse; but I don’t want to go there.

Disagreeing with these people and or explaining how they do not represent us is not going to change the fact that they do exist, and that their views and existence allowing the terrorists, who hijacked our religion, to spread their poison.

One of the things that you would notice once you walk the streets of London is that if you accidentally hit someone with your shoulder that person will instantly apologizes to you, even though it could’ve been your fault, and you will learn to do it too; whereas if the same happens in any Arab country you would end up in a fight, because neither will apologize. Do you think those Westerns don’t have pride and we do? No, it is our fake-pride, our unwillingness to apologize or admit mistakes and our unwillingness to accept responsibility. And when we make mistake, instead of apologizing, we try to explain why it happened; which makes matters worse.

Some long time ago I watched a program about entrepreneurs, who became millionaires, then lost almost everything, and then bounced back and became multimillionaires. It was very interesting to watch, and there were a team of experts analysing the entrepreneurs’ personality and skills. The last part of the program was the most interesting. Richard Block and David Quayle are the founders of the DIY retail chain B&Q. After leaving the business and collected a considerable amount of money, each of them started a new business. Both failed and lost, but one of them bounced back and became millionaire again; and the experts were asked to identify which one bounced back. After a serious of psychological and physical tests, they answered correctly. Quayle bounced back, but not Block who ended up working in a super market. They both started up different businesses and failed more than once; but the difference is that Quayle always knows when to leave the failing business and learn from his mistakes, while Block waits for the failing business to die and blames the economy, or the government, or the market.

Does this ring a bell? I say it is very much like the Arab Parallel Universe. Blaming others will not solve the problem, but instead it will make the problem worse. Arabs always have someone to blame, but never try to learn from the mistakes nor try to solve the problem.

Acknowledging one’s mistake or problem is half the solution. I have said before, like others including Friedman, that Terrorism is our problem and we have to solve it. We have to fix it. We have to stand up to those who hijacked our religion. Why are we unwilling to acknowledge that it is our problem? Why some think that we don’t have to show our opposition to the terrorists? Is it the fake-pride? What is it, because I don’t understand?

We don’t have to do it for the West, but for ourselves. We don’t have to do it to show Westerners that we are against terrorists, but to show the terrorists and their supporters that we are against them. We don’t have to do it to save the world, but to save ourselves.

Blair said today the "moderate and true voice of Islam" had to be mobilised. He told Muslim MPs "In the end, this can only be taken on and defeated by the community itself," while discussing how to tackle "this evil within the Muslim community".

Shahid Malik, Labour MP for Dewsbury, told the House of Commons the events represented "the most profound challenge yet faced by the British Muslim community". He said "condemnation is not enough and British Muslims must, and I believe are prepared to, confront the voices of evil head on".

This does not only concern Muslims in Britain; but everywhere in the world. This is the war of the 21st century and we have to fight it, we have to get our religion and identity back, we have to stand up to the terrorists and show them that we are against them. Iraqis are fighting these terrorists everyday, at least do it for the Iraqis and for Iraq, and show the terrorists that you are against them. Don’t pretend that it is not your problem, because if you do and the terrorists knock on your door, and they have done before, we will tell you it’s not our problem.

Show the terrorists and their supporters, that Muslims are against terrorism. Do you say that the majority of Muslims are against terrorism, against Bin Laden, against al-Qaeda, against Zarqawi, against killing innocents, against violence? Prove it. Prove it to the terrorists, show them that you are against them and against what they do.

Update:
Alykhan Velshi, a Muslim, said in an article in the National Review, "Choosing sides - the challenge for Muslims": [Hat Tip: Mark]
Sadly — dangerously — it is not uncommon for U.S. and British Muslim groups to be evasive when discussing the war on terror. Of course they’ll condemn individual terrorist attacks, though more out of sympathy for the victims and their families than out of a sense of solidarity with the West.
Sad and dangerous, indeed.

43 Comments:

Blogger Moron99 said...

Superb.

July 13, 2005 7:16 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A great post!

As a young person, I was surprised to learn that people who have failed at business and know why are considered good bets by banks for business loans.

When interviewing people for a job...you are often asked "What was your biggest mistake?" or "What are you NOT good at?"

The purpose of the questions is often to find out if the person has 'healthy humility'...a sense that he is neither more or less than human. That he is human. Perhaps that he is 'only human' and therefore makes mistakes.

You are right. You can't succeed without this quality.

July 13, 2005 9:28 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that was me.

thinker

July 13, 2005 9:28 pm  
Blogger Fayrouz said...

Ahmed,

You said it so well. The moderate Muslim bloggers need to unite and start a progressive movement.

The silence of the Muslim world has sent a wrong message to the terrorists that their acts are acceptable by the Muslim community.

July 13, 2005 11:15 pm  
Blogger Mister Ghost said...

Ahmad,
Great Post, but you've got big big big problems in England:

Daniel Pipes via LGF:

Weak Brits, Tough French.

Thanks to the war in Iraq, much of the world sees the British government as resolute and tough and the French one as appeasing and weak. But in another war, the one against terrorism and radical Islam, the reverse is true: France is the most stalwart nation in the West, even more so than America, while Britain is the most hapless.

British-based terrorists have carried out operations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Kenya, Tanzania, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Russia, Spain, and America. Many governments - Jordanian, Egyptian, Moroccan, Spanish, French, and American - have protested London’s refusal to shut down its Islamist terrorist infrastructure or extradite wanted operatives. In frustration, Egypt’s president Hosni Mubarak publicly denounced Britain for “protecting killers.” One American security group has called for Britain to be listed as a terrorism-sponsoring state.

Counterterrorism specialists disdain the British. Roger Cressey calls London “easily the most important jihadist hub in Western Europe.” Steven Simon dismisses the British capital as “the Star Wars bar scene” of Islamic radicals. More brutally, an intelligence official said of last week’s attacks: “The terrorists have come home. It is payback time for ... an irresponsible policy.”

July 14, 2005 12:07 am  
Blogger DaKruser said...

Strength to you Ahmad. Your voice and reson are a true paragon of Muslem virtue. Never stop. Never give up. We are with you.

July 14, 2005 12:09 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

MG,
I know. I read the article and it's a big problem. But hopefully things will change in this country.

Clarke said he will consider all means necessary - including deportation - against those fomenting terrorism.

July 14, 2005 12:45 am  
Blogger Catez said...

Excellent post Ahmad. Such strong ideology (extremism) requires a bold response in return. Good on you.

July 14, 2005 12:56 am  
Blogger kingc said...

Fantastic and very lucid post! One thing about the following quote:

"We can not deny that there are such Muslims and Imams who support these views, and even worse; but I don’t want to go there."

Isn't the point you are making in the post that "there" is precisely where you should be going?

July 14, 2005 1:20 am  
Blogger CJ said...

Ahmad, very well said. I touched on this a little in my post about the children on my website (www.soldiersperspective.us). It's inexcusable to kill and maim children AND to purportedly do it in the name of Islam. It's a copout. Keep up the good work. I love reading your site and reading about a level-headed point of view.

July 14, 2005 1:48 am  
Blogger strykeraunt said...

Great post (again)!!!

July 14, 2005 2:28 am  
Blogger Catez said...

I've linked this in my roundup Ahmad:
Scene and Herd: 13-JUL=-5

Great post!

July 14, 2005 6:37 am  
Anonymous echnaton said...

Dear Ahmad
I really appreciate your balance.
However. I have to ask you something: why do you think that all this terror is un-islamic? Do you want to say that what Hamza, Bakri, Qaradawi and so on is not Islam?
You surely must know the verses 9:50 and 9:29. And you surely know the concept of abrogation. Hasn't the Profet shown the way to instill terror in the enemies? Lots of Hadits support that. As long as muslims will say that all this is not accepted by Islam but at the same time deny the orthodoxy deriving from thiese verses, your position is not well cut and ambiguity will prevail. Did you really go for the quest of the roots of terrorism?

July 14, 2005 9:23 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Kingc,
You can find "there" here or just watch al-Jazeera!

Thank you Catez.

July 14, 2005 10:38 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Echnaton,
Hamza, Bakri, Qaradaqi, etc. are regressive extremists; why do you take their word and not others? Since when killing children, women and elder men is Islamic? God and the prophet specifically asked Muslims to not kill women and children. Since when killing innocent people is Islamic? Muslims in fact are not allowed to start war; they should fight back if they were fought. Did the prophet fight the Christians? Why not, if verse 9:29 allows him to? Because he fought those who started a war against him and against Islam.

"Hasn't the Prophet shown the way to instill terror in the enemies?"

When? Where?

"Did you really go for the quest of the roots of terrorism?"

Not in depth; but it boils down to Khawarijis/Wahhabism backward thinking, greed for power and tyranny.

See you can't just quote verses and think that you found the problem, and I don't accept Islam the way it is now; there are problems in it or in it's interpretation today; one of which is the dhimmi and Jizyah concept. Read this, and follow and read the two links in that comment; then you will know what I think about Islam.

July 14, 2005 11:05 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Thinker,

Sadly not all Arabs learned to learn from their mistakes!

After the 1956 war between Israel and Egypt, Moshe Dayan wrote a book in which he detailed the military plan that led to capturing the Sinai Peninsula. He also said that the same plan may be used in future wars with Egypt.

In 1967, Dayan applied that same plan and captured Sinai again!

When he was asked how he was able to apply the same plan to the same enemy after publishing the plan and warning the enemy that the plan will be used against them, he replied: Everybody knows Arabs don't read!!!!

July 14, 2005 1:27 pm  
Anonymous echnaton said...

Ahmad
I would not say that all this people are progressive but surely they represent the ortodoxy. Would you like to say that Qaradawi is not an important figure of islamic scholar?
The problem why I don’t take other (important) opinions is that…there are none (exept one Spanish fatwa ….after all this blood..just one fatwa…against lots of fatawa pleading in favour)
Please if you want to know why killing children women and elder men is Islamic, read carefully the Sira of the prophet, go through the hadits, study the history of Arab expansion, and don’t stop when your soul is happy bcs you have just read some nice meccan sura. You should know that the ones in Medina were quite different (and normative)!. What can you tell me moreover about the concept of Dar-al-Harb? And about the Christias…you should know that Mohammed had an army prepared to wage war against the Bizantines (without any agression by the Christians).
I don’t think that it is enouth just to quote verses and to have the problem solved, and I know as well that we all human can be potentially full of depravation..that means that not any Christian or Induist or Buddist or Yew or Muslim or even Atheist can say to be better than all the other. But the problem lies in the fact that if the “sourse” of the faith itself promoted, justified and sanctined violence….than yes…there we have a problem
There are 100+ verses related to jihad and terror in the Islamic sources. Please read just another one: 8:12…
I appreciate your writings and I’ve gone through your ideas but…the problem is tha I don’t think that we have the right to adjust or make our own religion…ok I accept this and don’t accept that…either the whole, or nothing or something different (but again as a whole)

July 14, 2005 3:14 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ahmad..

Wow...what an anecdote!

You know I think the Middle East needs a sense of pluralism...that many opinions can live with each other. It seems everybody there is fighting to be in control of opinion...but that is sort of totalitarian.

Why can't all faiths live together? I guess I am dense. I do not get it.

July 14, 2005 4:29 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Qaradawi is important, but you have others who are even more important.

Just two days ago, Sheikh al-Azhar condemned the terrorists in Iraq. Late I know, but better late then never.

Most Muslim scholars condemned Bin Laden. British Muslim Scholars are condemning terrorism, just like many others.

I know that there aren't enough fatwas; it is pathetic. But the problem is that moderates are in no position to issue fatwas and extremists can't progress!

Killing women and children has always been forbidden in Islam. However, Islam like Christianty, like Judaism; some pretty bad atrocities have been commited in their names.

Funny enough, I have just read some Bible verses where Moses ordered killing!

The books, including Quran, must be read and understood in context.

"I appreciate your writings and I’ve gone through your ideas but…the problem is tha I don’t think that we have the right to adjust or make our own religion…ok I accept this and don’t accept that…either the whole, or nothing or something different (but again as a whole)"

That is exactly the position of the regressive Mullahs; which I oppose.

Are you telling me that religion doesn't evolve? Then how come the concept of abrogation exists?

And if Jihad and terror is so right and so Islamic; how come it didn't exists through out the 1400 years of Islam history?

Have you heard of al-Mu'tazili? They believe that the Quran was created in time. Which means that what is norm 1400 years ago may not be accept today!

Everything evolve my friend, even religion. If it doesn't then surely I can have 4 wives and or unlimited mistresses/women slaves!

July 14, 2005 4:30 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last post was me...thinker

July 14, 2005 4:32 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Anon 4:29PM,

Me neither! Actually, I think it's the greed for power!

July 14, 2005 4:34 pm  
Anonymous Ushuaia said...

Ahmad
I translate in italian language your post for readers of my blog, we need to hear these words.
It's important for us.
Thank you. I'm with you.

July 14, 2005 4:59 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Ushuaia,
Thank you.

July 14, 2005 6:11 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many believe Al-Mahdi will soon appear, hence the reluctance to speak out and actively oppose the transgressions of terrorism. The non-believer's transgressions are readily apparent but the need to point out the transgressions against Allah by the Ummah is not present when Al-Mahdi will expose them and bring equity for all on earth, and with 7 years of harmony shall then come unto all the final Judgement. Isa shall speak and then all is done on this place called Earth. All actions are recorded and there shall be no helper for the believer or non-believer.
SaDemba Faal

July 14, 2005 7:22 pm  
Blogger Louise said...

Hummm. Karl Marx was right then. Religion is the opiate of the people.

July 14, 2005 8:37 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Anonomous posting about the Mahdi was NOT me. LOL.

thinker

July 14, 2005 11:27 pm  
Blogger Mustapha said...

I understand very well what you're talking about.
Even my own family just put their heads in the sand and avoid argumentation by simply saying: these are not moslems, or stuff like: they must be really desperate to kill themselves.

Zero Tolerance, this should be our new motto.

July 14, 2005 11:53 pm  
Blogger dcat said...

Oh having men around the house to do all the things I hate to do… Let me think! Naw I would only have to have that many more, couches and laptops! Then probably would have to do all the work over because it isn’t perfect! Forget it!

I’m really not into sharing either my self or anyone else! Bad way of life! You would think that a man would avoid having so many wives nagging at em! It really sounds sick to me.

July 15, 2005 2:07 am  
Blogger dcat said...

BTW I saw some videos that have come out about Moslems saying that they are not part of this killing…

July 15, 2005 2:10 am  
Blogger Sirius said...

Dear Ahmad,

May this help?

Defending The Golden Rule
United We Stand

(No Terror No Fear)

Where ever people are not free we find the anarchists and the terrorists.

Good links to history and wisdom... if you know of others let me know.

The Hijacking of Islam; The Story of the Profit's Grandson
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/Imam%20Hussein/Imam%20Hussein.html

The History of Arabia Pre-Profit - Allaht the God of Spring Time - We are all of the same religion...Muslims, Jews, and Christians /Adam and Abraham etc. are common to all three groups.
http://www.nabataea.net/index2.html

The First Declaration of Human Rights Cyrus The Great 439BC
http://www.iranian.ws/cyrus.htm

This guy is cool too, a poet who valued truth and common sense.
http://www.ferdosi.org/ferdosi_life.htm


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Magna Carta - Bill of Rights - Common Law
http://www.billofrights.com/MagnaCarta.htm

That became the Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land
http://www.usconstitution.com/


UNIVERSAL DECLARATION
OF HUMAN RIGHTS*
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/udhr.html

*Note; Terrorists (Mislabeled as Insurgents), Criminals and Radical Islamists are in direct violation of all these declared rights. Also note that the U.N. is not
living up to its original purpose.


The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/

Friends of Democracy
http://www.friendsofdemocracy.info/

The Coalition Against Terrorist Media
http://www.stopterroristmedia.org/



If it gets depressing take a break, try some music.
Radio Free Detroit
http://www.wdetfm.org/

Listen Live
http://www.wdetfm.org/listenlive/


Kindly,

For all the silent voices of the majority behind the lines in Iran, Syria, Egypt,
North Korea, Tibet, China, Saudi Arabia and most of Africa etc. ad nausium... "We Hold A Dream... That these truths are self evident... all God's Children are created equal..."

Global Emergency Service
.|. .).

July 15, 2005 2:54 am  
Blogger Rosemary said...

"We don’t have to do it for the West, but for ourselves. We don’t have to do it to show Westerners that we are against terrorists, but to show the terrorists and their supporters that we are against them. We don’t have to do it to save the world, but to save ourselves."

I found this to be most profound. You are a very inspiring writer. I found this site through Michael. I am very grateful to him for this.

I pray for your success, and I also pray for the Muslim community to overcome those whom, after reading the scriptures, corrupted them. Thank you.

July 15, 2005 9:05 am  
Anonymous echnaton said...

Sorry my friend Ahmad but you insist viewing the islamic world with pink sunglasses.
You give general opinions like “Killing women and children has always been forbidden in Islam”…but please give some evidences! This is really the big big problem: to give general opinions not corroborated by hard facts. So we will go on with all this confusion, that causes a lot of bloodshed. And please why do you avoid the problematic Qur’an verses?
Who decides which fatwa is over the others?
Dear Ahmad you should know the intrinsic differences between the Qur’an and the Bible (and between the OT and NT)! What you have read about Moses is descriptive and not prescriptive (not my words)
The Qur’an are God’s words unchangable for ever and not really to be read into a context. You shurely have read the Qur’an and have surely noticed that often prescriptions are without any context!
Everyone is free to choose the best, even the best part of any religion. It’s fine if you don’t accept the ortodoxy of Islam, but so I would not say that you are Muslim any more, aren’t you? The same as if I would say “I’m Christian but I don’t accept Jesus as God”. I can go on saying that I’m Christian but in fact I’m not any more.
Truth doesn’t evolve, and revelation doesn’t evolve either (especially if revealed at once with the Qur’an). What can evolve is the interpretation. Sorry to bother you dear Ahmed with this words but you are a little confused about abrogation. The concept of abrogation is not something that evolves itself, is a defined (ortodox) way to try to explain the inconsistencies about contradictions that you surely have found in the Qur’an. It’s a way to get out of the fact that God cannot contradict itself and change his mind even in the same surah. I would appreciate if al-Mu'tazili opinion were the mainstream one, but he has been confutated by ortodoxy, and even the this leaves us with the problem: what is then really Islam if it was valid just 1400 years ago! So God spoke just for that time? Or then it must not be God that spoke….you surely see the logical problem! That goes totally agains Islamic truth. I’m sure you see it!
Sorry again about your confusion but by saying “And if Jihad and terror is so right and so Islamic; how come it didn't exists through out the 1400 years of Islam history?” you were surely joking. How can you not be aware of the history of your faith? Please refer to historical and hard facts. Do you know what’s the meaning of Hindu Kush? Or of what happened 1482 in Otranto (800+ people beheaded because didn’t want to convert?) Ahmed if you want to be credible (you are alrealdy a very sensible and balanced person with a lot of common sense), you should as well be well informed and backtest your statements by hard facts!
Regards

July 15, 2005 9:11 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Echnaton,

"Sorry my friend Ahmad but you insist viewing the Islamic world with pink sunglasses."

Ask all the visitors here, who have been reading this blog for sometime; and they will tell you that never in this blog I have viewed the Islamic world with pink sunglasses.

My friend, you do not know what you are talking about. I am very critical (and sometime hyper-critical) of Muslims and the Islamic world and Islam.

I had a conversation once (the conversation started in another blog and ended up in this blog) with someone who believe that there should be one big Islamic country with an Islamic passport. He was a radical, such as yourself, no offence; but neither he nor you can win here.

Don't be offended, but this world is full of radicals of different kinds who see only what they want to see and anything else is wrong.

"Everyone is free to choose the best, even the best part of any religion. It’s fine if you don’t accept the ortodoxy of Islam, but so I would not say that you are Muslim any more, aren’t you?"

You are in no position to decide whether I am a Muslim or not, or whether I am a good Muslim or not. That's between me and Good. It's not about choosing the best part; it is about how you view religion and being true to God and yourself. I call myself what I believe I am. Is the Christian who doesn’t burn witches and imprison blasphemous people not Christian?

You want Muslims to either condemn Islam or live it the way it was 1400 years ago. Well guess what? Neither will happen. And does that mean Christian's should either accept it the way it was 1000 years ago or leave it?

You are obviously read about Islam a lot; but you have read it to find problems and you can't do that. Not because you can't criticise Islam, no; but because you become no different to those who read it to find legitimacy to their wars or way of life.

The problem with radicalism is that you see the world as black and white; you see no other colours. But I see a whole range of colours in between.

"Truth doesn’t evolve, and revelation doesn’t evolve either (especially if revealed at once with the Qur’an). What can evolve is the interpretation. Sorry to bother you dear Ahmed with this words but you are a little confused about abrogation. The concept of abrogation is not something that evolves itself, is a defined (ortodox) way to try to explain the inconsistencies about contradictions that you surely have found in the Qur’an. It’s a way to get out of the fact that God cannot contradict itself and change his mind even in the same surah."

Do you know why there are contradictions in Quran? Because each Surah and Ayah (verse) were revealed at a certain time for a certain purpose. When there is war, you get authorisation for fight. When there is peace, you get authorisation for peace; and so on.

When you read the Quran you have to ask yourself; why this verse? Why this time? What was the situation? How people were living then? And all those questions to understand. You can't take a verse and say; here we go, we can fight. No you can't, unless you have very similar circumstances.

And therefore, the Quran itself evolved with time; so who are you to see religion doesn't evolve? I might be wrong, but your insistence on black and white is radical to me. Radical Muslims force Muslims to accept Islam as it was 1400 years ago, because they can't think different. Moderates accept change and accept people who have different views.

The Quran gave a set of instruction for a specific time, not eternal instructions. If they were eternal instructions, there wouldn’t be contradictions. It would’ve been a list of dos and don’ts.

I agree with you that the mainstream Islam is more radical than one would hope. If it wasn't, I would not have written this post, now would I?

God spoke for that time, gave instruction for a specific time that should become a guideline for the future.

Have you heard of Ijtihad? Well Shias practice it, but unfortunately they haven't reformed Islam through it. It is the concept of deciding what is right and wrong; introducing new rules and cancelling old ones.

"How can you not be aware of the history of your faith? Please refer to historical and hard facts. Do you know what’s the meaning of Hindu Kush? Or of what happened 1482 in Otranto (800+ people beheaded because didn’t want to convert?)

I am well aware of many atrocities committed by Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc. That doesn't mean anything, does it? I don't know what Hindu Kush is; it is a mountain in Afghanistan!

Don't talk to me about wars and atrocities committed in war. It happened; but it is nothing like today's terrorism which is done in the name of Islam.

Did you know that Muslims beheaded the Prophet's beloved grandson and his brother and companions? Are you telling me this is Islam and it is Islamic?

Do you know how the game football (soccer) started? It started in the UK long time ago. They used to decapitate people, and the kids use to play with the head. That's how it started.

If it wasn't for the reformation, Christians would be as barbaric and as orthodox as Muslims are today. What I don't understand is why you are so against reformation of Islam? Do you think you can convince Muslims to give up Islam all together? If you do, then you don't know them.

Now back to killing women and children and the problems in Quranic verses.

"Who decides which fatwa is over the others?"

Each person decides for him/herself. If the Imam you listen to issue or endorse a fatwa, then you follow it. Ijtihad by the way is different. Fatwa is issued for something very specific and used by Sunnis and Shias. Ijtihad covers all aspects of life and religion and only practiced by Shias.

If you have a problem with 9:29; yesterday, I asked about its context. It was revealed when the Byzantines prepared an army against Muslims. 9:29 revealed to authorise war, against an aggressor. But after the Muslim's army was assembled, war didn't take place.

If you know Islam and not just read about it; you would know for a fact that killing children, women, and elderly is forbidden. But if you insist, here are some "instructions":

[2:190] "Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors."

The prophet (pbuh) said in a war: "Fight in the cause of Allah. Fight those who deny Allah; Do not be embittered. Do not be treacherous. Do not mutilate. Do not kill children or those (people) in convents."

And last but not least:
[5:32] "Whoever kills a human being unjustly is as if he had killed all of humankind; and whoever saves a human being is as if he saved all humankind"

If think Islam promotes terrorism, you are entitled to that view no matter how wrong or right it is. I believe it is wrong, I believe the Quran can be interpreted to promote terror, but that's not the right interpretation and God wouldn't accept that, but that's me.

I believe what the terrorists are doing is wrong; I believe Islam needs to be reinterpreted and reformed; not because of the terrorism, but because of all sorts of things that are still in 1400 years old and no one dared to question them.

If there is God and God is just; then Islam as it is today is incompatible with that view. I believe there is God and I believe God is just, and I therefore believe that Islam needs to be reinterpreted and reformed.

Fear makes people follow religion blindly; but love makes you want to make it right. I choose love.

July 15, 2005 1:04 pm  
Anonymous Echnaton said...

Dear Ahmad!
thank you for your answer! It has been very interesting, instructive and revealing! You are a very balanced person and I admire your intelligence (your emotional intelligence as well). I fully agree with you that LOVE is what makes us fully human! And if you choose deliberatly LOVE, than you are next to me, to the whole mankind and to God.
Unfortunatly I have to leave and I'll not be in till monday morning...that's bcs however I would like to give you some feedback on some interesting points of your last writing.
It will be a pleasure to have your feedbak later and if it will not be possible...then the God of Love might bless you!
Regards
Echnaton

July 15, 2005 2:06 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Dcat,

"Then probably would have to do all the work over because it isn’t perfect! Forget it!"

LOL

"You would think that a man would avoid having so many wives nagging at em! It really sounds sick to me. "

Tell me about it; one is hard enough! No offence ladies :)

Echnaton,
You're welcome. And don't forget to save me a seat :)

July 15, 2005 8:06 pm  
Blogger Pebble said...

Excellent... It just kills me people like you are not guests on all the news shows.
My Goodness doesn't the media read blogs!! What fools they are.
I'm so angry with mainstream media... I wish we could sue them... I at least hope many go down in history as the worlds worst citizens!
I just had to link to this post...

July 17, 2005 12:09 am  
Anonymous David Russell said...

Before the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland, did 'the Catholic community' apologise every time Catholic terrorists killed innocent people? Did 'the Protestant community' apologise every time Protestant terrorists killed innocent people? I'm a (Scottish) Catholic, but I don't feel responsible for the deaths of people killed by the IRA just because the IRA are [nominally, but not in their actions] mostly Catholic, in the same way ordinary Muslims have nothing to apologise for just because Al Quaeda are [nominally, but not in their actions] mainly Muslim.

July 20, 2005 3:39 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David
you don't have to apologize for something that has nothing to do with your religion. Especially if it isn't made in the name of your religion but derives from power struggle. The problem is that Islam endorses violence against non believers. Please you as Catholic you should have read the NT. Have you read the Qur'an?
So please before inform yourself

July 20, 2005 3:51 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

David,
The difference is that these terrorists not only they are "Muslims" but also they are doing it in the name of "Islam".

Anon,
Having said that, many argue about whether Islam endorses violence against non-believers or not. I believe, like MANY Muslims, that it does not. Many Muslim scholars also do not believe that it does, and they (and we) consider it un-Islamic.

However, the Quran can easily be interpreted to endorse these killings, and that is the problem; twisted radicals are interpreting the Quran in a way to recruit terrorists and justify violence.

We can go on forward and backwards on this issue for a long time, but the fact remains that killing an innocent is like killing all mankind and saving an innocent is like saving all mankind. The other fact is that killing oneself is a sin, a great sin.

July 20, 2005 4:00 pm  
Anonymous RnB said...

Sirius and others should know what is wrong with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The only proper rights are INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Rights are necessary for setting the terms by which individuals deal with other individuals in the same society. They protect one person from another. The man who violates another's rights waives his rights and becomes a criminal.

By using the term "Human Rights" the aforementioned Declaration ignores the individual person, in favor of the group --even though a group is ONLY some number of individuals.

The consequences are evident in this Declaration of false rights. It says children and others have a right to a home, to food, to medical care etc. It follows that if a person does not have these things his rights are violated. But, these pseudo-rights do not grow on trees, someone, according to the decalaration HAS TO provide them to ensure the recipient gets his 'rights'. This means that if charity is not enough to provide them, someone else HAS TO. That someone else is immediately a victim and loses his rights.

No constitution that enforces such pseudo-rights is fair if one citizen is in any way enslaved to the others. Sadly this is now the case in every country, even the USA--to their founding father's embarassment.) Such a a system breeds politicians that try to outdo each other in taxing and manipulating the economy and its productive citizens, while claiming to help the poorer citizens. The only ones who grow fat and powerful are the politicians and their lawyers.

The World (and it would be great if it could start in the Arab World) needs to PROPERLY ensure INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS TO LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY and the (individual) pursuit of happiness.

July 27, 2005 1:28 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(fakes muslim names are used here)

when the crusader kils muslims civilian they collatoral damage they are not even human and when someone kill few crusaders who voted for the killers to power again after all the crusaders started it all from stealing Palestine and giving it to the jews Jesus killers the (limey) did that to the frogs (French) giving them a nuke bombs to the yankers who act as the guard dog for the killers of Jesus

instead of blaiming Muslims you should stop your crimes and all those tactic and words selection like violence and innocent people and terrorism is not going to make the crusaders killers and racist, rapist and their appologist become the good guys and if you think you are going to some how sow the seed of doubt in the mind of the freedom fighter that what they are doing is wrong then you are more stupid than a mad dog!

September 11, 2005 10:22 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many lessons can be drawn from the observation of Israeli dominion over the Palestinians in the past fifty-five years, most notably the audacious mandate of institutionalized violence.

Even more alarming than the crimes themselves is the fact that even after blatantly violating international law, Israel manages to remain in the safety of the fold of the international community. Perhaps the Sharon government gleaned its wisdom from Niccolo Machiavelli's treatise, The Prince, rather than the Geneva Conventions. Consider the following scenario as a paradigm of the Machiavellian philosophy applied to the "Palestinian problem":

The fall of the classic theory and practice of imperialism compels us modern imperialists, who are keenly interested in maintaining control of our remaining settlements, to develop an advanced strategy that will protect our interests. Consolidating our power over indigenous populations may be difficult, but if done the right way, the Israeli way, that is, our settlements can be successfully sustained while our subjects are effectively subdued.

An important factor in institutionalizing oppression is through the utilization of the legal system. Israel has successfully passed laws, such as the Law of Return, which allow Jews and only Jews, to immigrate to Israel based on their race, while Palestinians are denied the right to live in their homeland and on their own property because they don't fit into this category.

Moreover, the Absentee Law allows the state to confiscate the property of dispossessed Palestinians and claim it as state property. These laws have proved quite successful, since they make race the determining factor in attaining rights in Israel, with Jews as first class citizens and Arabs second class. They also rid Israel of some five million refugees, scattered elsewhere.

Another important element of institutionalized oppression is military occupation. Israel has occupied Palestine and other Arab lands for decades. This way, although condemned by futile United Nations resolutions, Israel has successfully achieved the upper hand over its subjects.

The modern imperialist must understand that a strong army remains essential in controlling the settlements and their people. Thanks to the sheer strength of Israel's invincible army, Palestinian rebellions have been suppressed through massive applications of force. It doesn't matter whether force is used against armed or unarmed individuals, children, women or the elderly. What matters most is conveying a message that subjects have no chance of gaining the rights for which they fight, and if they want to live, they must surrender to whatever the State demands.

Today's imperialists must use the mass media, for it is unquestionably the most effective tool in winning today's wars. It is important that the message conveyed through the media highlights the losses of the colonialist, not the colonized. The media must portray us as civilized and our enemies as savage; it must show us as righteous and our enemies as wicked; it must show us as peaceful and our enemies as terrorists.

If the media is tightly controlled, we can fashion our own reality. We can cause the world to blame our enemy when we kill their children, and we can make our soldiers heroes while their fighters are branded as criminals. Israel has indeed mastered the art of media control, to the point that we can even blame Palestinian parents for sending their children to be killed to grab media attention. Interestingly enough, many believe us.

Killing your enemies, torturing prisoners, occupying land and confiscating properties are very important, but not enough. You must humble the enemy while you carry out your policies. The tactic of humiliation is indeed a winning stratagem, for through its employment, you can destroy the spirit of your enemy. Yes you can kill a man, but slaying him as his family watches and then stealing his dead body is more effective.

You can beat a defiant young man who refuses to plead for mercy, but if you strip him naked first, you will certainly break his defiant spirit and make him wish for death. Yes you can torture a prisoner by beating him, but imagine how successful it will be if you threaten to rape, or if you do in fact rape, his wife or sister. We've done it, and it was often quite successful.

If your subjects submit, reward them with partial freedom and allow them to get menial jobs. But if they defy you, clamp down and have no mercy. Otherwise they will rebel too often. If you push them until they rise up against you, don't back down. Fight back. Close down their schools, uproot their trees, burn down their farms, block their streets, isolate their cities, demolish their homes, throw them in jail, keep them under curfew for weeks, deny them clean water, electricity and basic supplies.

If they increase their defiance by using firearms, then feel free to do all that can be done. In Israel, for example, we are using our best high-tech weapons against them: F-15s, F-16s, Apache helicopters, missiles and more.

Destroy their symbols and deny them an identity. In Israel we have destroyed numerous mosques and have attacked and desecrated many churches. Imagine what that made them feel? Even God cannot protect them now.

If you issue them with identification cards, designate their nationality as "undefined." Burn their flags, ban their books, forbid them from learning their own history; call their intellectuals "militants" and their leaders "fanatics." Make them feel trapped with nowhere to escape.

Besiege their land, their air and water. Make them feel like a wild animal trapped in a net. Terrorize them. Give them ultimatums. Force them to accept their fate, which of course you ordain.

Turn them against each other whenever possible. Some of them might be weak, easy to manipulate. Use these to spy on the others. If such traitors become known, they'll be jailed or even executed. That's good, because then, like we do here in Israel, you can tell the world that your enemies violate human rights. You win both ways.

Build trenches and enormous walls around their fertile land, towns and villages, as we have done throughout the West Bank with our famous security fence. We said it was a security measure. The world believed us, and the people lost thousands of hectares of fertile land that is now in our hands, free of its inhabitants, whose high numbers have threatened our racial supremacy for generations.

Eradicate their forests and woodlands. Dump your toxic waste in their land and destroy their environment. In short, imprison their men, rape their land, murder their youth and push them to the brink of desperation, to the point of suicide, literally. You will then have succeeded in the complete dehumanization and defeat of your enemy, while through the media you will have convinced the world you are actually the victim.

September 11, 2005 11:02 am  
Blogger Nina permata sari said...

....................NICE.^_^v...............

September 17, 2011 7:15 pm  

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