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Friday, July 15, 2005

United Against Terror

Everyone should sign and link to the United Against Terror statement.
Terrorist attacks against Londoners on July 7th killed at least 54 people. The suicide bombers who struck in Netanya, Israel, on July 12 ended five lives, including two 16 year old girls. And on July 13, in Iraq, suicide bombers slaughtered 24 children. We stand in solidarity with all these strangers, hand holding hand, from London to Netanya to Baghdad: communities united against terror.
Muslim blogger,
Why the Muslims Againsts Terrorism sign is not on your blog, yet?


Blogger Fayrouz said...

Can Mustapha make a sign for Middle Easterner Against Terrorism?

I'm not a Muslim. I want to participate because I'm from the Middle East and I have many Muslim friends.

July 15, 2005 9:46 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

I will ask Mustapha to do one.

July 16, 2005 2:10 am  
Blogger Louise said...

You know Fayrouz, I think there is an argument to be made for even non-Muslims to put this on their websites, because it spreads the word. I every blog owner who posts it could indicated that the poster can copied and used on other blogs and for real physical world uses as well (real posters, banners, buttons, etc.) the use of it would spread more quickly, I think. Although I understand that if non-Muslims post it on their blogs that may reduce the ring and strength of its authenticity. One thing we can do is alert, by email, where possible, every Middle Eastern and Muslim blogger we are aware of, and ask them to post it. It would be interesting to note who refuses and who complies.

July 16, 2005 11:55 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

I agree that spreading the message must be our first priority at the moment. I.e. get as many people as possible to display the banner and link to us. There will be a new site/blog to link to.

Yes, non-Muslims displaying the Muslims against terrorism banner, might reduce it's authenticity; therefore, we should provide a different banner to spread the word.

July 16, 2005 1:12 pm  
Blogger Pebble said...

I second Fayrouz

July 16, 2005 10:06 pm  
Blogger dcat said...

I got a nasty letter from a so called friend today about trusting people. Iraqi people! I'm pissed and I had to take a brake plus haloscan was giving me fits!

So I went to The Swamp Club!

I really need a break! I can post more then a banner! Bloggers read and I have a blog roll! There are so many morons out there that a banner is going to make a difference? Well I hope it does!

July 17, 2005 9:48 am  
Blogger Dilnareen said...

Fay I was thinking the same thing cos i wanted to add it but ours is a group blog and isn't only written by muslims... we have christians, a jew and atheists... but i'm gonna add it and see the response i guess its more about getting the message across

July 17, 2005 2:04 pm  
Blogger Fayrouz said...

Mustapha put one for Arabs and Muslims. But then again, as Dilnareen said, her blog is a mixed group of people.

I'll put that one for now. The message is clear. We're all against terrorism.

July 17, 2005 3:28 pm  
Blogger dcat said...

Yeah mon fayrouz!

Um there are no thumbs up emoticon here. "sigh"

July 17, 2005 3:55 pm  
Blogger Louise said...

Maybe some creative person can come up with a slogan that can be all encompassing. Anyone who isn't Muslim can use it, as can Muslims. But I also think it is critically important that Muslim bloggers themselves have one that clearly identifies their stand on the issue as a Muslim.

July 17, 2005 4:58 pm  
Blogger dcat said...

Yes you have to sell yourself big time! There are ruthless critics out there!

July 17, 2005 5:04 pm  
Blogger Fayrouz said...


Something like "Ordinary People Against Terrorism" will be good as a start.

July 18, 2005 2:02 am  
Blogger KNL said...

I have the Arabs and Muslims one up on my blog.

July 18, 2005 12:09 pm  
Blogger CJ said...

Ahmad, have you seen this:


Goes along the lines of a lot of what you've been saying.

July 18, 2005 6:06 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

What can I say? Animals.

July 19, 2005 10:46 am  
Anonymous echnaton said...

Dear Ahmad
I’m writing you here. Sorry for my late coming but I was quite busy this last days. Just briefly to pick up some of your arguments (without any polemic or personal attack of course):
everyone is what he decides to be, but what I’m interested in is not a discussion on how myself or yourself see the world but on how ortodoxy influences the worlds (we can change it little by little but the world is dominated by big ideas and however: never understimate ideas as Lord M. Keynes teaches us). We are all well aware that these ideologies are the roots and the drivers of the actual problems. Now some points I would like to take out:
- I don’t understand your statement «Is the Cristian who doesn’t burn witches and imprison blasthemous people not Christian?» as if this behaviour were ok with Christian faith! It is very different form the Qur'anic verse like 4:89 (everyone who leaves Islam is to be put to death): this is ortodoxy as Islamic jurisdiction confirms.
- the gates of Ijithad (at least for Sunnis) have been closed for centuries. I know Shias see it differently (at least this is one reason why Shias are seen as heretics)
- Soccer derives from a type of game played in Florence in the Middle Age and shurely not in the UK while kids playing with beheaded heads (from where did you take this?). Aztecs had a similar game with cruel end for the loosers but this stopped after «los Conquistadores».
- Reformation and Renaissance have been an internal «domestic» creation of Christian Europe and it didn’t contradict any religious rule, at the opposite it has been ignited by this dialectique (you should know that Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Raffaello, Brunelleschi and even Galileo Galilei were partly/all paid and protected by the Catholic Clerics).
- 9:29 might be directly linked to a supposed Byzantine aggression. The storical fact I know are that 629 Muhammad planned a raid agains the Ghassanides without any act of war declared by them. Anyway even if you are right I suppose that it is plausible to neighbours to prepare to war given the expansionary deveelopments of Islam
- The tolerant verse 2:190 has been abrogated by successive verses
- You are right about 5:32 «whoever kills a human beieng injustified is as if he had killed all of humankind…» (this is a verse that you can find in its original quotation in the Talmud) but a) this is a verse given to the Yews b) the verse admonishes and warns Yews to follow this order give by God c) you should not stop at 5:32 and go on and read 5:33 where you can find very terrifying statements. This is extreme! In this case you don’t take care of the contextual facts while you suggest me to do that

I welcomed and appreciated so much your point of view about the Qur’an (as a timely revelation). This would solve a lot of problems But the issue is that in this case you run into too heavy logical contradictions. I’m amazed how people can still not open their minds (it’s not about you, it’s general). You say that I’m against reformation of Islam and that if I think that all Muslims should give up their faith then I don’t know them. But giving up –as you suggest- the fact that the Qur’an is the eternal word of God and true and valid for always (that implies without taking care of the context) is as to say «there is no Islam any more» bcs you shurely know that this is the paradigm on which the whole Islam holds-
Your logic is: Qura’nic revelation is temporary and contextual bcs there are contradictions. So what has then God told us exactly? The question I have to ask you is: how can Islam claim to have a superior ethics for exemple to the New Testament and yet resort back to the use of violence, elments that were supposedly part of the early Jewish tradition? You shurely know that In the Middle East people are told that Judaism is like elementary school, Christianity like high school and Islam like University!
I'm aware of the great problem of the moderates Muslims to come out from this situation. It seems that Islam has been "taken hostage" by radicals, but the real problem is that this very radicals stand on a very solid theological ground which is almost (hopefully not) impossible to shake
With kind regards,
Promised: I’ll keep a seat next to me for later! ;-))

July 19, 2005 1:41 pm  
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