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Iraqi Expat

Monday, May 16, 2005

News Round Up

There's been a dispute going on between an Egyptian called Cipherrus and myself. Well It started between Ciph, Athena and others, and then I ended up debating with this guys who believes in a united Islamic nation, Islamic Passport and terrorism.

Anyway, it started at Athena's site, then Isaac replied to him in 2 post [1, 2]. What amazes me is that he justifies terrorism in Iraq! I mean, who gave an Egyptian the right to justify anything that goes in Iraq? Can I justify terrorism in Egypt? Do I have such right? If I do, then hell, I will justify terrorism in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, Syria; what the hell, let's justify it in all Arab and Muslim states and blow up everybody in every capital there!

I wonder if his family get blown up in one these attacks, would he still justify it? Anyway, read the arguments and try to understand the mind of those who want take us back to the 7th century; it's a long story but worth it. By the way, there were few errors in my replies, but I can't edit the comments, so I didn't bother and I am sure you will get the message.

Akbar had some worries regarding the misrepresentation of Sunnis in the new 55 member commission that will responsible for writing the constitution, and he is also worried about the de-baathification. Fayrouz has wrote about the commission too.

I believe the Shia bloc has shown their dark side by not allocating enough seats for the Sunnis in that commission. I understand that some people, especially Shiites, are frustrated with Sunnis boycotting the elections and then demanding representation, it sounds completely unfair; but if I want this process to work and not just to prove that they were wrong in boycotting and that they got what they asked for, then I want to include them.

This is not a game of who got more in the elections get to rule; this is about writing a constitution that will shape the future of Iraq; and therefore, it is imperative that people get represented properly.

To be honest, I wan't worried. Let me tell you why; first, the Kurds will not let the Shia get away with religious law; second, Allawi stood up to the Shia and refused to head the commission because the Sunnis are misrepresented; and last but not least, the US will not stand by idle watching the Shiites, or anybody, messing about without doing anything. And they didn't stand idle, and the Sunnis today have welcomed Rice's call to have a great Sunni representation. I mean were would we go without the Americans, eh?

So, this will be sorted out; don't worry Akbar.

As for the de-baathification; well, if you know me by now, you would know how much I despise the Baathis; but, we can not persecute them just because they were Baathis. Therefore, while I fully support the de-baathification process, I believe it must be just and those who didn't commit crimes and behaved honourably should have a future in the new Iraq. It is not an easy task to separate the bad Baathis from the good Baathis; but we can not just outcast all Baathis. I don't think we can do that; even though I wish we can, I think it would be very unwise to do so.

What else? Saddam lawyer said that Saddam is so afraid of execution he cries and pisses himself! Nice, eh? Way to go Ibn Sabha! (Ibn=son, Sabha is Saddam's mother) [Hat Tip: LadyBird]

And another hat tip to LadyBird; Sajeda, Saddam's wife, and his daughter have bought 55% of Al Jazeera! They paid $180 million through some fake company registered in British Virgin Islands. I wonder were they got that money from! Later, I told my father about this transaction, he said; what's new? It was Saddam's channel, anyway!

So, it seems like Al Jazeera which I adore so much, is going to be the official mouthpiece of Saddam and the Baathis! But seriously think about it, this is good news; I mean we don't have to put up with morons who keep defending Al Jazeera anymore.

On Friday, some friends came over; we were having a drink and chatting when they mentioned the Hezbollah-Israeli clash! I was shocked and I turned the TV on to watch the news on Al Arabia, but I had to wait half an hour for their news bulletin! So, one of the guys said Al Jazeera has a news bulletin now; but I said, no way man, I am not going to watch Al Jazeera! So, I tried BBC, CNN, etc and couldn't find anything and had to check the web for details and then watched Al Arabia half an hour later. Therefore, I don't care whether Sajeda, Raghad, or even Saddam himself owns Al Jazeera, it is not a channel that I would watch anyway!


Anonymous Anonymous said...

A tough debate on Athena's blog. The man seems to think he is going to build an empire by killing Americans. Personally, I would put my money on the US. We have dealt with this sort of thing before and we will deal with it again. He may want to decide what happens in Iraq because he cannot decide what happens in Egypt.

I don't know if this is a real issue, but I think the new Iraqi constitution can only be ratified if all but two "provinces(?)" vote to accept it. If that is the case someone thought ahead and created a situation where all of Iraq is included. It would not matter what any outsider wanted, because the people of Iraq will pick (over and over again) what they want for their homeland.

May 17, 2005 7:44 am  
Blogger dcat said...

I went there too and posted "1". It was enough for me.

It was interesting and I couldn’t resist giving an answer. I sad neither that they were both human error!

I believe in God. There are plenty wise people he sends to Earth. Too bad it is the ones that beat the chest the loudest gets recognized!

I hope Saddam shits on himself as well!!!

May 17, 2005 8:08 am  
Blogger Kat said...


if any three provinces do not pass the constitution referendum with a "majority", the constitution fails.

I've seen this conversation on Islam before. There are plenty where this guy comes from.

May 17, 2005 8:36 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Well, I am not really worried about my family getting bombed; I am more worried about them getting shot by an American sniper in a dark night while being evacuated from their city because it is being bombed by the so called "Coalition Forces"


May 17, 2005 2:10 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, Cipherrus, what you are worried about is a stable Iraq, an Iraq where its citizens and leadership create something special, something good, something great, something which is clearly not "American" and something which is not "Islamic" in the form that you would have the Muslim, indeed the whole world, enslaved --physically and mentally.

May 17, 2005 3:27 pm  
Blogger Akba said...

Hi Ahmed,
Nice post . you got the Al-jazeera being baught by Sajda in first. i was gonna post on it...lol.
Its rally funny that they finally make it official and paid for that rubbish. Now no one can have the excuse to say that al-jarada news channel ever did tell the truth...hehe
only thing that annoys me is that 180 million is Iraqi peoples money and we should get it back.

May 17, 2005 10:14 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...


I like Al Jarada News Channel, LOL :)

And I totaly know what you mean about the 180 million, but we know they got our money :(

May 17, 2005 10:26 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Man, why should I be any worried about what happens in Iraq? As far as I am concerned, I am not a stakeholder in Iraq, I just do not want the Muslim Nation to be divided again according to the boundaries set by colonial forces of the past centuries, they created brooders that did not exist, and now you are defending these borders as if they were your last line of defense.


P.S. More or less and in technical terms, a more stable democratic Iraq (as you call it) would even tip the balance and might spell over in the region (we might even see Mubarak step down or get ousted), and that would even accelerate Egypt's already accelerating Islamic tide. If I know one thing about my country, it is the fact that if we have free and fair elections it would bring the Islamists to the power in no time. In conclusion, a democratic Iraq might bring an Islamic state after all, not undermine it because the chief reason that stood against the establishment of Islamic regimes in the region was the dictatorship regimes supported by the United States (tell me that they don't support Mubarak's regime)


May 18, 2005 9:10 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

You are right, you are not a stakeholder in Iraq and that's why it pisses me off to see you support the terrorists who are killing innocents indiscriminately in streets, markets, etc. How can that be justified? How can clerics justify it is beyond me!

You are also right, I guess, that if democracy comes to Egypt today; the Islamists will be very influential. I am not sure if they can send Mubarak home from the first elections, but very possible.

Therefore, what pisses me off is Arabs who either support dictators like Saddam or the "insurgency" or both! Why are they so afraid of democracy? But to be honest, I don't think they are afraid of it as much as they hate to say America did something good and they hate to stop hating America.

There is too much hypocracy in the Middle East!

May 18, 2005 10:41 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Forgot to answer your question.

I am a secular, and I realise we differ on this; but I still do NOT support Mubarak, and I would like to see a change. I also do NOT support any dictator, no matter of his policies.

HOWEVER, I would rather see the non-Islamic party have a fair chance to promote themselves before any election.

What I fear is that when Islamic parties get to rule, through elections or through coups, they become totalitarian regimes and that election will be the last!

May 18, 2005 11:11 am  
Blogger Brian H said...

It's "moron", not "mourn", though if you want to be jocular, you can use blog-speak, "maroon"! ;)

In any case, C is not really one, just a lying wannabe theocrat.

May 19, 2005 3:13 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Thanks Brians, I fixed it :)

May 19, 2005 6:35 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Well, I hate to say this about you being secular but "I KNEW IT", you know the kind of feeling that you are always or most of the time right, but I found it somewhere along your lines that don't care much for religion.

Anyhow, I do not think that the Arabs are you say are just blaming America fro all their problems, as far as I am concerned America has its share of Arab problems, they have lent their support to Mubarak for so long, despite the well known torture that takes place in Egypt and the corruption that has plagued the country. The hypocrisy that you speak off is in America's actions, not the actions of Arabs, America can just give a small signal to Mubarak to step down and allow free and fair elections, but they didn't at least up till now.

On the other hand I myself do not like to be called Arab, because I am not, I just happen to speak Arabic. Arabs might exist in the Arabian peninsula for that matters, but Egyptians are very mixed and they have a strong heritage and culture, which is totally different from the Gulf culture let us say. Egyptians did not even speak Arabic or know it until the late 9th century. I moreover do not think that Berber Moroccans or Algerians are Arab, they also happen to speak Arabic and adopt the general culture.

No one in my opinion can define what is an Arab or being Arabian, is it a race, clearly not, you get black Sudanese and white Syrians who are both called Arab, is it a religion, clearly not, we have so many Christians in Lebanon, Egypt, Sudan, Syria among others. Is it a language, well, to a certain extent, but even this is contestable. In addition, even if it was a language, then I suppose that Latin America should be united because they speak the same language, language is not enough to bring people together. In my opinion, Pan-Arabism is a myth based on a myth. I would rather call myself Muslim than Arab.

May 23, 2005 5:40 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OOOOOOOOOPS, I forgot to sign my last post, of course it is me,


because I have managed to "De-Cipher" the west long ago

May 23, 2005 6:14 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...

"I KNEW IT"? You knew what? That I am Secular? Or that I am Atheist? Or do you think they are the same thing?

I believe one can be Secular, religious and care for that religion, be it Islam or not, all at the same time. Or are you thinking like MOST ignorant Arabs/Muslims who think secularism is synonymous with Atheism?

I don't want to argue about America's share of the problem, but I will say this; what did you or your fellow citizen's do to get rid of that regime or to promote for change and reforms? And those who tried, did they succeed? Why do many Arabs oppose change? And why should it matter where the change is coming from, as long as you/we think the system should change? If we couldn't do it on our own, why not accept help?

About being an Arab, I know that many of those who are called Arabs are not really Arabs. Arab are the decendants of Adnan and Kahtan. But everybody (Arabs and non-Arabs) call most of those who live in the Middle East or the "Arabic Nation" (Arabic speaking countries) are Arabs.

May 23, 2005 7:19 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


It is very interesting of you to educate me about the difference between Secularism and Atheism. Well, I will have to quote myself on this (from my comment on Athena's post) "I can't see what new have you added"

I very well aware of the difference between an atheist, secular, and agnostic, and even if I did not know, I can always consult the dictionary, or even the MS- word thesaurus. Or I will call one of my atheist friends to tell me the difference, it would just cost me local call. However, this is beside the point

I still think that seculars do not care what so ever for religion. Because the very same idea of separation of religion and state (it was originally church and state, but at some point became Islam and state), does not apply when it comes to Islam. It is originally a western idea, very much connected with western history, and the abuse of the Catholic Church ot religion for personal gain.

I still remember, the numerous discussions that I had with a Turkish friend sometime back, she had always believed that keeping Islam away from politics preserves Islam from those who want to use it to gain power. Oh, yaaa, keeping Islam, preserves it, preserves it as an ANTIQUE, preserves it in a museum, and preserves it in the Fridge.

Islam was meant to be in alive and present in everything that has to do with state, religion, and ways of life. it is meant to be a constitution, a religion and a law. It is meant to be a bond, a social force, and it is meant to be everything in life, it is benchmark to which you measure all your actions in life, it is the reference point, by which you measure your development or your distance.

There is Islam, and there is Non-Islam and you cannot have anything in between, what is between, is something that people have chosen to invent it is not what has been given to them. Islam is to be taken, not to be modified, or reinvented.

If we separate Islam from the state, then simply speaking, this is not Islam.


May 24, 2005 11:59 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Really? It won't be Islam? What then?

You made a valid point "the abuse of the Catholic Church ot religion for personal gain"

And isn't Islam being - and was since After Imam Ali been - abused for political and personal gains?

"Islam is to be taken, not to be modified, or reinvented"

Who said that? Where does it say that? Please stop repeating what Imams say without thinking.

What you say here is that if Islam says an elephant can fly, you should just accept and not even try to understand!

I am sorry, but my God gave me brain and I shall use it, even to understand his words and to reason everything, even religion. Blind following lead to nothing but corruption and abuse, and that is exactly what is happening.

When Religion controls the State, you end up with corruption and abuse. It happened in Christianity AND in Islam.

Religious people are NOT politicians.

So thank you very much, but I do not accept your concept of religion based on blind following!

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