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Iraqi Expat

Thursday, March 10, 2005

Why Al Thari is not being arrested?

Rage is an understatement of how I feel. All those killings! Innocent Iraqis dying and for what? What was their crime? Going to a funeral? Or trying to serve their country and their families by being policemen? I tell you one thing, this is one sick world we are living in; and I can think of nothing other that the people living in Iraq, may god be with them and help them pass this safely.

Every country has to defend itself when its being attacked, even if that attack came from within. It is a matter of national security. The US introduced Anti-Terrorism Laws including The Patriot Act 2001 when it was needed. The UK introduced The Terrorism Act 2000 and Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001. I know about all those who will claim these acts or some of them violate civil liberties and privacy; but when national security is involved and the lives of thousands of your fellow countrymen and women are at stake, there is hardly any justification for those arguments.

It is a crime to incite hate, violence and terrorism in most countries. So, why should it be different in Iraq? Iraq did ban Al Jazeera for inciting hate and violence; UK did arrest Abu Hamza because he conspired with terrorists, aided them, preached, etc. Shouldn't Iraq also arrest individuals who do so? Shouldn't clerics be arrested for inciting violence? Why not, because they are clerics? Does that mean they are above the law? I believe because they are clerics, then they have much bigger responsibility than average Joe. What they preach will influence many people, and those will commit crimes against innocents!

The Wahhabi Harith Al Thari and his son Muthana of the Sunni/Wahhabi Islamic Clerics Council in Iraq have been inciting hate, violence and terrorism for a long time. He encourages the so called 'resistance', but its actually more like terrorism to me; killing Iraqis everyday can not be resistance! He never condemned any attack on Iraqis. He boycotted the elections and ordered others to do so. And he said that he can call the so called 'resistance' off! So how come after all that he is still free and not being arrested? This Islamic Clerics Council of Iraq should be called the Terrorism Clerics Council! I don't mean that Sunni represent terrorism, but this council does. And all clerics and any group, Shiite or Sunni, Muslim or Christian, should be responsible for what they say and should be brought to justice if they incite hate and violence.

What we need now is some swift actions, tough laws, fast-track courts with capital punishment or at least to be held without trials under some terrorism act. And for those who disagree on capital punishment; I don't think you can deter these people with prison sentences, and for the crimes they did and are doing, capital punishment seems lenient to me!


Some people might say this is risky because you might do what Saddam did in 1991! He crushed the uprising and now you want to crush the so called 'resistance'. Let's compare, shall we? Saddam killed indiscriminately; he and his thugs, many of whom are somehow working with the terrorists now, killed everyone they saw in streets of Iraq's southern cities. They killed and buried innocents in mass graves. Those involved in the uprising didn't kill innocent Iraqis, Baathists did and some of them are still doing. Saddam wiped out the population of Halabja killing every man, woman, and child.

However, what I am calling for now is justice, nothing more! Justice for those innocents who died for no reason, died because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time going about their daily life or doing their duties. Justice in any form or shape, through a trial or killed resisting arrest. Justice is all I am asking for.

And as for those policemen who conspired against their colleagues, who murdered innocents... What can I say? Is there any punishment greater than capital punishment? The time for forgiveness and reconciliation has past, its time for justice and deterrence.


Blogger Brian H said...

Well, in both cases (clerics and police) you're dealing with treason. I guess you have to decide how to deal with that. Both groups were used to having a free hand to say and do as they wished in the past, so it may take considerable teaching and corrective measures to affect their attitudes. As you say, hanging would work.

March 11, 2005 2:04 am  
Blogger dcat said...


You must be loged in? Yay! Now I forgot what I was going to say. Have you gone to Ali's site? Free Iraqi yet? I have posted there. Im #35 :)

I pray for peace daily!

March 11, 2005 9:36 pm  
Blogger dcat said...

A little chanting too won't hurt!

March 11, 2005 9:37 pm  
Anonymous Annie said...

Hi again Ahmad! Yes it is working now!

I was reading about Sayyid Qutb and his writings and found some real irony in the present situation with the Patriot Act that I would like your opinion on.

What I was reading said when he came to America in 1950 he grew to hate America for it's permissiveness especially when it came to teenagers and Qutb cited Alfred Kinsey's report on sexuality, as well as Darwin, Marx, and Freud, as degrading influences on American life. He feared the same influences would invade Egypt.

All of those things he hated were leftist ways of thinking and now it is the leftist organizations such as the ACLU that are trying to block the punishments (you are recommending), and trying to undermine the Patriot Act, etc. What do you think about so much of the leftist thought in today's situation? Don't you find it ironic?

March 12, 2005 3:04 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Hi Annie,
It is ironic! But I believe its all about fear and control! The liberal is afraid of control and Sayyid Qutb is afraid of losing it!

They are both somehow radical in their thinking. The leftists are liberal; therefore, have less control over people's lives. And that's the first reason why Sayyid Qutb and many other radical clerics were - and those living are – afraid. Having less control means people can do what they like, within reason, without being punished. So, not only they are afraid that they cannot apply Islamic laws with such liberal thinking, but they are also afraid that more people will ignore the Islamic teachings.

Second, if people known about this liberal world, how people in the west are living and how attractive it looks, they are afraid that people would choose the liberal world. So, they want to control people's lives by telling people what they can and can't do, which is the complete opposite of the liberal world.

Now if a liberal advocates his ideology in a religious state, the liberal will be easily defeated because he has no rights and the religious leader can decide his fate / punishment for breaking the rules easily and therefore protecting that world

However, if a religious person advocates his ideas in a liberal state, then the religious person will use all the rights that liberal state has provided him with to continue his fight. Therefore, the religious person take advantage of the rights given to him by the liberal; and the liberal will argue that if we reduce these right that means we lost, but in fact without reducing them you make losses and by reducing these rights you can make winning so much easier!

March 12, 2005 4:22 am  
Blogger Fayrouz said...

I don't know what resistance they do represent. If they're resisting the presence of the allied troops in Iraq, then why do they mostly attack innocent Iraqis?

It breaks my heart to see the Iraqis dying everyday. I'm against the capital punishment. But, you're right. putting those criminals in jail for life wouldn't help.

March 12, 2005 11:28 pm  
Blogger TallDave said...

Well, the good news, if most Iraqis agree with you, you will be able to elect a legislature to pass exactly those laws you are talking about!

And if you don't like the job they do, in the next elections you can throw them out and elect new ones!

March 12, 2005 11:41 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What or who is preventing the Iraqis from dealing with such people here and now?

March 13, 2005 12:06 pm  
Anonymous Annie said...

I've pondered your answer to my question for quite some time. I think you are wise beyond your years. What you said makes such perfect sense. I do know there is a FAR LEFT in the US that would just like to see the US destroyed. I think Clark, representing Saddam, is one of them, but I will look at the other leftists groups a bit different through the lense you provided.

And I am sorry I was a bit off topic. It just all seemed to be a part of it to me, and I do appreciate the opportunity to ask you. I do thank you so much for such a thoughtful answer.

March 13, 2005 7:56 pm  
Blogger Ahmad said...


The Iraqis with the help of Americans are trying to deal with it the best they can. And they are making some progress and they are capturing terrorists.

However, I believe that the Americans are against capital punishment in Iraq to satisfy the international community!

March 14, 2005 12:07 am  
Blogger dcat said...


I believe in capital punishment! I think the international community should then house the criminals in their home if they want them to live!!!

March 15, 2005 5:26 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I came across this blog while doing a bit of research about Harith Al Thari. As a British citizen who has visited Iraq three times during the past year as a volunteer in UN aid missions and currently residing in the United Arab Emirates, I can honestly say the irony in all this are comments such as the above. May I ask all of you, including Ahmed, where do you get your information regarding Iraq from? If its from news media hailing from the two major countries backing this war, then Im afraid you are burrying your heads in the sand.

Ever wondered why "insurgent" videos are banned in western media? You would think if such videos depict the killings of innocenct civilians then it would be an ace of spades in the hands of the American and British governments in their never ending propaganda campaigns. Truth is, it is clear and evident that the so called "insurgents" take the utmost care not to hurt civilians in any "resistance" operation.

It is funny that when the US army blows up a wedding party it is passed as collateral damage. But it is sad that you all buy into it when atleast over 20 thousand civilians die because of US and British "collateral damage".

Dont get me wrong, Im not for terrorism, but I certainly would not go against the God given, and International Law given right to resist occupation and defend your country.

As for those Iraqi's that do die, the striking majority of them are those who have collaborated with the enemy, atleast according to Iraqis. I am sure if this has happened to America, or Britain, we would not be siding with those of us who would ally ourselves with the invading forces. Or do you think that those British who have secretly supported Nazi Germany are not traitors?

Three visits, hundreds of Iraqis from all walks of life, and I have yet to meet one, just one, who supports the American occupation. Let me go further, I have yet to meet one Iraqi inside of Iraq that uses the word "insurgents", no, they are the "resistance".

Let us get over our bias, Al Thari is loved by Sunnis and Shia's alike, specially those more aligned with Muqtada Al Sadr.

I still wonder why anti-US-UK protest of over 80 thousand Iraqi's in central Baghdad in December of 2004 was casually mentioned in our media, yet a small gathering of 100 Kurdish US backed peshmerga chanting for an autonomous state was plastered all over the news.

Even if my son was part of the colaition, I would call a spade a spade. Any soldier participating in this farce and unjust war does not die an hornorable death. I will never blame people for defending their own country.

Time to get our heads out of the sand.

June 19, 2005 1:37 am  
Blogger Ahmad said...

Anonymous, here is my response to you.

June 19, 2005 9:12 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May GOD rids the Iraq and Iraqis from all these criminal pestisides who are destroying Iraqw in the name of mouqawama.

July 01, 2005 12:10 pm  

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